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  CNN    Erin Burnett Out Front    News/Business.  
   Erin Burnett.  (2012)  

    July 25, 2012
    8:00 - 9:00pm PDT  

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>> mmm, mcdonald's. very well said, by the way. call it what you will. but in hearts of those in the know, it will always be bankersmith, texas, from top to bottom. that's it for us. today, the senate hit the gas and headed towards the edge. the u.s. and russia at odds over whether officials have the right to confront some americans in their own homes. and new details are coming about the young man who police say shot and killed 12 people inside a com movie theater. plus, one of the victims who was shot three times has just been released from the hospital and he's "out front" tonight.
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playing chicken with the fiscal cliff. today the senate appeared to take action on extending the bush era tax cuts. appeared being the key word. senate majority leader announced he would not philly buster. he allowed a straight up or down majority wins vote. the republican plan, extend the tax cuts for everyone, and president obama's plan extend it for 98% of americans. that's households making 250,000 a year. why would the senator do such a thing? >> the only way to force people to take a stand is to make sure that today's votes truly count. by setting these votes at a 50-vote threshold, nobody on the other side can hide behind a procedural vote while leaving their views on the actual bill itself a mystery. a simple mystery to the people who sent them here. and tonight, we now know
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where everyone stands. the democrats bill narrowly passed 51-48. with two democrats opposing. the republicans' plan failed. and just to give you an idea of how big democrats thought the vote was, the vice president himself was there in the big chair in case he needed to break a tie. on the surface this may look like a win for the president and his party. but before you break out the champagne, here's a reality check. this is all just political theater. no legislation will affect you today. and no member of this congress knew it. instead, we're still playing chicken with the fiscal cliff, which includes payroll taxes going up, emergency unemployment benefits ending, 1.2 trillion in so-called sequestration cuts and tax cuts expierg for every one, automatically. economic could contract by 1.3% during the first half of 2013. the agency says it would probably be judged a recession.
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keep in mind, our economy is only pro jeked to grow between 2.2 and 2.8% next year. not only are we speeding towards that fiscal cliff, we're wasting money with all this mindless bikiering. this week we actually learned the cost of all this sandbox politics. $1.3 billion. the government office calculated the death ceiling debate. a fight in the name of fiscal responsibility that held the united states hostage ended up costing taxpayers an additional $1.3 billion. and as you hear on this show every day, it's been almost a year since we lost our triple a credit rating and it's all because of washington's inability to work together. out front tonight, one man who is the leader of the house and a member of the super commity which couldn't make a deal. it's good to see you, sir.
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>> thanks for having me. >> you've been in congress over three dedes. has it ever been this bad and who could you make a deal with on the other side of the aisle. >> i've been here a little short of two decades. i came here in 1993. but from afar, i have seen it this bad, maybe not over the deficit and over the budget. but i can remember the hustles and tussles back in the '50s and the '60s. i'm just old enough to remember all of those things and had a great interest in it. so i would say to all of the viewing public, the only thing that's different today than from 30, 35 years ago, is the fact that there's instant news now. everything's done in real time. and communications are so much better, and people are a little more tuned in. but these kinds of things are not all that strange to the congress.
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>> well, then give us some assurance. tell us that behind the scenes at least there's some constructive conversation going on about how to deal with this fiscal cliff before we go over it. >> well, i believe that the budget priorities committee, the committee on budget priorities and policies, they have said to us that this is not really a cliff in the common sense of the word, but more like a slope because i do believe that even after the elections, there is plenty enough time for us to come back here in a lame duck and do what is necessary to extend budgetary considerations for at least a year while we'll have time to really work on things we need to do. and that is to have the massive overhaul of our tax code. i think that we're in the trouble we're in today not so much because of people's
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priorities but because we have a problem with our tax code that needs to be fixed. i think that's what's important about that vote today. >> but, congressman, that approach of, we'll all get together and work together after the election, someday never seems to come. you were on the super committee. and republicans say that there was never a serious proposal from democrats to deal with entitlement reform. help clear that up tonight. what specific concessions on entitlement reform did you and your fellow democrats put forward on the super committee? >> there were a lot of considerations given. you remember senator baucus brought on issue to the table that had massive entitlement controls. the last time i checked, he is, in fact, a democrat. i would ask you to ask those republicans, what kind of tax cuts, what kind of revenue -- did they ever bring into the discussions?
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they never brought any. that's where the problem was. we're supposed to have the people living on fixed income, people getting medicare, social, medicaid, they're supposed to make all the sacrifices while wealthy people continue to pump their earnings off shore and not pay taxes on them. there's another report out today about the trillions of dollars that are being hidden in offshore accounts by very wealthy people while we're talking about making poor people suffer entitlement cuts. >> well, congressman, thank you for coming "outfront." let's hope a deal can get made before we go off that fiscal cliff. president obama opening to secure reelection with the help of black voters. do those votes add up. and the mother of cal ripkin, jr., abducted at gunpoint but released. what we're learning about the abduction and the suspect. and we're learning new
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voters in november? a new report by the national urban league says african-american voters could tip the election this year by staying home and costing the president crucial votes in battleground states. minutes from now, the president is taking his message straight to the urban league. how concerned should the obama campaign be? john king's been breaking down the numbers. john, what states could be affected here? >> in a word, they should be very concerned. in the end, politics is about math, addition and subtraction. that study says about 65% of african-americans turned out in 2008 and they say if it dropped back to 2004 levels, that would be about 60%. if it dropped back, the urban league study says, good-bye, north carolina. that's a state the president carried last time. 25% of the vote in north carolina will be african-americans. if that percentage drops and turnout drops, the president will lose north carolina. in virginia, 50% of the vote just in richmond, the capital city, is african-americans. 20% of the votes statewide in
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virginia, if turnout drop, the urban league says probably that one gone from the president's column. and it says ohio -- we know ohio was always the mother of all battlegrounds. about 50% of the vote in cleveland is african-americans. democrats need that cushion. you see how big of a cushion the president got there four years ago. democrats need that cushion from african-americans in cleveland to win statewide. if that turnout is down, the president would be at risk. the report says michigan would be at risk. another state, florida could be at risk. only about 12%, 13% of the vote statewide in florida african-american. but 20% of the vote in miami, african-american. and even pennsylvania, people will say, what are you talking about? a nine-point victory for the president last time. but if african-american turnout is down significantly, even pennsylvania could be at risk. >> let's do a deep dive on the keystone state here. walk us through how pennsylvania could be in play if african-american vote doesn't reach those levels. >> let's come west to east. most of the african-american vote is in the east in philadelphia.
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but most people believe that mitt romney will do better than john mccain. a lot of these counties were closer in 2008 than they were in 2004 and 2000. people think mitt romney will do better than john mccain. you come over here, scranton, allentown, redding, these are places barack obama struggled in the democratic primaries. if mitt romney does a little better against blue collar white workers, he can do better. then into philadelphia and the suburbs. this is where the state is always decided. of the president's big margin statewide, much of it, the overwhelming bulk of it came from this whopping size victory in the city of philadelphia. we went to philadelphia to look at the turnout operation. i was there several times back in 2008. the campaign got an early start because, why? african-american unemployment is high. it knows that could have some people discouraged saying, he's been president for almost four years, why should i vote? and there could be complacency. the margin was so big last time. think they a lot of african-americans will
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say, my vote doesn't matter. they also think this is an important factor. history has volunteers pounding on the doors of voters last time. african-americans wanted to be part of history. i was there today at one campaign office. it was very busy. even people there concede the point that it's harder the second time around. he's an incumbent president. you're not making history. you have a tough economy. the obama campaign has this advantage. there was no primary challenge. they had been working this for months. but that activity is part of the worry. they know if the numbers are down here in philadelphia and mitt romney can do a little better out in the suburb, you have a battleground state. >> fascinating analysis. as we know, every vote counts. thank you. also in pennsylvania, a shocking revelation from the state about its controversial new voter id law which is being challenged in court today. the law requires all voters to show photo id. something critics say will depress turnout. and unfairly target minority voters. supporters argue it's necessary
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to prevent voter fraud. but this legal document, in this document, the state admit that is it is, quote, not aware of any incidents of in-person voter fraud in pennsylvania. in addition, the state says it has no evidence to prove that, quote, in-person voter fraud is likely to occur in december 2012 in the absence of the photo id law. good to have you both on set. if the state is admitting that this photo id law is not going to have an effect, that this is not a problem, what's the fight about? why is this necessary? >> i think you might be misinterpreting what was said. here's the thing, prosecutors are very stretched and they have limited resources in terms of what they can investigate and what they can prosecute. voter fraud is something that hits a relatively low priority issue. you don't go after those things or prosecute them. that doesn't mean you don't try to take the necessary steps to prevent voter fraud from
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happening in the first place. there's a lot of financial fraud that happens that doesn't actually get investigated and doesn't actually get prosecuted. doesn't mean it's not there or that you don't take steps to prevent it. >> if this was a real problem, they'd be saying they have some credible case, a single credible case to make in court. and they haven't. right now, as many as 758,000 people in pennsylvania don't have t required photo id. that's larger than obama's victory over john mccain in the state in 2008. right now, cnn, we have pennsylvania leaning obama. but is this a real problem for the obama campaign? >> it is a problem. but i must have the the worst timing. because this is my virgin experience here in the "outfront" studio and you are my first. where's erin? >> i'm sorry to disappoint you. >> back to serious. this is a really big problem. as the attorney general said recently, this is almost like a poll tax because for many people who do not have photo id, who
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have to go in and register for photo id, get their driver's license or get their birth certificate, it's going to cost them money to get those documents before they go in to see the secretary of state. that's going to cause people a problem. if you're a poor or elderly person who doesn't have your document, this could be a huge impediment to you showing up and voting. >> it could be potentially. we had a heated discussion featuring a member of the gop leadership in pennsylvania making a claim in front of cameras about the impact of this voter id law. let's have a quick listen. >> voter id, which is going to allow governor romney to win the state of pennsylvania, done. [ applause ] >> so this on-camera statement plus this letter from the governor's office, how can the republican party fight this perception that this is not simply about politics? >> two things to keep in mind. one is that in pennsylvania, there are a lot of raw feelings from earlier elections. for example, in 1999, the
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philadelphia mayoral election in which sam katz narrowly lost to another candidate, john street. a lot of concern about fraud but it wasn't rigorously investigated because it would lead to a lot of raw feelings in the community. that's one reason why pennsylvania folks are concerned about that issue. there are about 30 states that have passed voter id laws. these laws range dramatically. for example, in rhode island, you have certain provisions kicking in in 2014 rather than in 2012, whereas texas and pennsylvania have particularly rigorous laws. they're trying to bring online perhaps faster that they can realistically accomplish. they're actually trying to address some of those concerns that you have about indigent voters. but, again, it's all about does the bureaucracy move quickly enough to accommodate that. that's a legitimate concern. >> we have 11 new states with this law in place. this is a debate we're going to continue to have. >> democrats are really focused on it. i don't think it's going to be -- we're not going to sit
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around and wait for this to happen. >> it's important, the facts of the particular laws. >> thank you both for joining us. ahead, do russian officials have the right to come into the homes of children, adopted in the u.s.? why russia and the state department don't agree. and mitt romney and president obama are exchanging some strong jabs in new ads. but do their attack lines add up?
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are we seeing the rise of an ac/dc cyber virus? i'm talking about the rock band. a finnish company says it received an e-mail from a scientist at the atomic energy association of iran claiming its program has been compromised by a computer virus. it plays ac/dc's "thunder struck." it can verify the e-mail was sent from a researcher within the organization. why should you care? cyber security is a big issue that congress is finally trying to tackle. tonight, the senate is starting to debate a bipartisan bill to require both government and private companies to do more to
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protect their networks from the threat of cyber attacks. the number tonight? $1 trillion. that's how much computer crime costs company, according to a study. that was back in 2008. chances are, that number is much higher now. we shouldn't have to wait for a digital pearl harbor to take the cyber security threat seriously. stl "outfront" in our second half, a controversial adoption agreement with russia. would it sell out some american parents? and a miraculous recovery. he was shot three times during the movie theater shooting, but tonight he walked out of the hospital and he's "outfront" ahead. i bought the car because i could eliminate gas from my budget. i don't spend money on gasoline. it's been 4,000 miles since my last trip to the gas station. it's pretty great. i get a bunch of kids waving at me... giving me the thumbs up. it's always a gratifying experience.
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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." we start the second half of our show with stories we care about, folks who are reporting from the front lines. the usda said food prices could rise as much as 3% to 4% next year because the u.s. is experiencing the worst drought in 50 years. and it's taking a real toll on corn crops. take a look at this chart. it shows the average percent of corn crops rated excellent or good from 2007 to 2011. and then compares it to this
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year. corn prices have risen to a record high. that means other food prices will rise. timothy geithner testified on capitol hill tonight. about the libor scandal. it was occasionally heated. geithner defended the new york fed's actions. >> i felt that we did the important and fully appropriate thing which is to bring the attention not just to the people in washington but to the -- not just the reports and the concerns that were broadly available in the market in the public domain but also of the -- the range of problems in the way this rate was designed to create that vulnerability. we brought that to their >> sure. >> and we felt and i still believe this, that it was really going to be on them to take responsibility for fixing this. >> libor will almost certainly come up again when geithner testifies tomorrow in front of the senate banking committee.
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cal ripkin's mother is saved today after being abducted at her home yesterday. police say ripkin's mother was forced into her vehicle by a man with a gun yesterday morning. she was found in the backseat of her car this morning with her hands bound but otherwise unharmed. the man appears to have used her credit cards and had no knowledge of a ransom being demanded or paid. police are still searching for the suspect. it's been 356 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? the dow finally snapped its losing streak today. closing higher by nearly 59 points. the s&p and nasdaq closed lower. russia in a tug of war with the united states over adoptions. the two countries are hammering out a controversial deal that regulates adoptions from russia by americans. the pact comes after the bizarre high-profile case of a tennessee woman who sent her adopted sun
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back to russia alone on a plane. the boy carried a letter that said his adoptive mother didn't want him anymore. now americans are worried this treaty could be far-reaching, even allowing russians into their homes. we went "outfront" to see if those concerns add up. >> why wouldn't you come just to talk? >> reporter: arriving in a caravan wearing dark suits and carrying cameras, russian government officials demanding entry on to a private ranch in eureka, montana, both sides recorded the confrontation. the russians demanded to see children adopted from russia and sent to this remote ranch by their american parents. this is the russian children's rights commissioner moscow. there are so many lies regarding the well-being of our kids, he says to the russian tv crew. and he's here to see the children for himself. he claims the russian children are abandoned by their parents at this ranch and then neglected here.
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that's a lie, says joyce, who runs the unlicensed facility called the ranch for kids, a church mission for adopted children whose problems like fetal alcohol syndrome were detected only after the adoptive parents brought them back to the u.s. >> this is the united states of america. this is the sovereign state of montana. and a foreign government cannot come in here and push your way into a private residence and a private program. that is completely uncalled for. >> reporter: that's what he tried to do? >> that's what he tried to do. >> reporter: two sides deeply suspicious of each other, a suspicion fueled by a bilateral agreement on adoptions between russia and the u.s. which aims to better protect both children and american parents. he says key to the agreement, it fundamentally gives his country more authority to check an adopted children like at the ranch for kids. he spoke to cnn via skype from russia. >> whave a right to ask the permission from state department
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to visit russian children which we are interested and which we want to see and to control the situation. basically we have a chance and we have a right. >> reporter: he stresses only cases of suspected neglect will be targeted. but american families are asking, how much power does a foreign government have in an american home? the fear goes beyond what happened here at the gate with the russians at this ranch, and adoptive parents believe it's a signal about the bilateral agreement and what they'll lose as their rights as adoptive parents. which boy is sean? >> sean is in the brown. >> reporter: sharon adopted her son, sean, when he was 19 months old. she says he flies into fits of violent rage caused by fetal alcohol syndrome. the ranch has helped dramatically and no foreign government should tell her what's best for her son. >> when you make that commitment, they're yours. to have a foreign government
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have the ability to come in to question my child and make those determinations about his well-being, i find that just not acceptable. >> reporter: the state department says it supports appropriate access for concerned foreign officials to children who have both u.s. and foreign citizenship, consistent with privacy rights and only with consent of parents olegal guardians. the state department says parents will never be forced to let anyone see their children under the new agreement. but the ranch owner who's already seen russians on her doorstep doesn't believe the deal will help protect american parents. what do you tell the state department? when they tell us, this isn't going to happen. >> it just did. it happened. >> fascinating story. why are the russians so interested in this particular ranch? >> because there are so many russian children who are there. there are about ten at this facility.
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and the russians say that this is just a depository for unwanted children because the parents aren't there. but the ranch says this is a place where they get real help. having spoken to the american parents, these are kids with serious problems, fetal alcohol syndrome, and the ranch is making a difference with these kids. >> this whole story gets to the heart of so many emotions, about family, about sovereignty. do we know what the text of this treaty is? >> right now, we don't. we know what the general overview is. that's what the state department has shared with the parents. but the parents say they just don't buy what the state department says because if the state department says that they still maintain all of their rights, why did the russians show up at the gate? >> that is the question. they're scared. but are they really scared about the potential of a deal here? are they worried, looking over their shoulders to see when the russians might come next? >> they are. the faces in our story were blurred. the reason why is because they're parents are truly, truly afraid. >> extraordinary story. thank you very much.
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our fourth story "outfront" tonight, the obama and romney campaigns at each other's throats over remarks president obama made about small business owners almost two weeks ago. the fight started when the romney campaign released this ad >> if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. if you've got a business, you didn't build that. somebody else made that happen. >> the only problem was that wasn't exactly what the president said. and the romney campaign came under a lot of fire for mischaracterizing his remarks. well, today the rnc released a new ad without those edits. >> if you are successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. there was a great teacher somewhere in your life. somebody helped to create this unbelievable american system that we have that allowed you to thrive. somebody invested in roads and bridges. if you've got a business, you didn't build that.
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somebody else made that happen. >> so it's time to fact-check the "you didn't build it" debate. glen kessler is "the washington post" fact-checker. he gave the first ad three out of four pinocchios. >> are you satisfied now? >> it missed the rest of what he said where the president provided additional context of what he was trying to say. >> let's play that rest. we have the rest of it right here. >> if you've got a business, you didn't build that. somebody else made that happen. the internet didn't get invented on its own. government research created the internet so that all the companies could make money off the internet.
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the point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative but also because we do things together. >> as you well know, we live in a time where narratives drive debates even more than facts. and especially if the president was clumsy with his wording, there's a perception that he meant what he said. politics is perception. how damaging is this for the obama campaign? >> it's certainly a problem for the obama campaign. when you actually saw this extraordinary thing today where the president himself made an ad from the west wing of the white house, speaking to the camera saying, i'm being misquoted, this is not what i meant. the problem with the phrasing that he used here, which was clumsy and difficult to completely understand, is that it buys into a narrative that the republicans have been trying to put out there, which is, this president doesn't really care about individual initiative. he's suspicious of free enterprise. he's just a big government liberal.
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so it's a gaffe but it is a gaffe that sticks because it kind of fits into preconceived notions that are out there. >> i think that's exactly right. the obama camp is returning fire with an ad of its own. let's take a listen. >> ironically, mitt romney knows better than anyone that business can't always do it alone. when bain & company was on the brink of bankruptcy, romney initiate add $10 million bailout with the fdic. >> you fact-check that statement. what did you find? >> well, the problem there is the way stephanie cutter refers to a bailout, it makes it sound like it's one of those wall street bailouts and they got government money. what actually happened was that bain & company, which is not the company that romney was running but the old consulting company was brought in to rescue, they restructured a loan with a failed bank and they
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restructured a loan with the fdic which insures bank deposits. the money there was actually not taxpayer money but it was money that was raised from assessment from banks. not really a bailout. but if you want to use a broad definition of bailout, rescued from financial distress, the obama campaign can technically slide by there. but it's intended to give an image that isn't quite correct. >> ultimate verdict, one pinocchio. "outfront" next, we take you to syria where violence is spreading. and tonight, one of our reporters is on the ground witnessing the violence firsthand. new details emerging about the suspect in the movie massacre in colorado. could the shooting spree have been averted? [ man ] ever year, sophia and i use the points we earn with our citi thankyou card for a relaxing vacation. ♪
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we're back with tonight's outer circle. where we reach out to our sources around the world. we start in syria. the battle of aleppo is intensifying. ivan watson is in syria. i asked him what condition the rebel forces are in. >> reporter: john, i'd say the mood of the rebels is both grim and very determined. after all, these men are losing
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their comrades in the battle for aleppo. we've passed funerals for men who were killed in the battle just hours beforehand. and then brought back to their homes. nearly everybody you talk to in syria has had a loved ones who's either been jailed or tortured or killed or has had to flee into exile. and these fighters see this as an existential fight. unless they defeat the man whose family has ruled this country for more than 40 years, whose military has been destroying villages and rounding up their loved ones and has killed people in front of their eye, unless they defeat him, they know that they and their families will be wiped out. this is an "us" or "them" basically. and they have no choice, they see, but to win against their government which they see as their mortal enemy. john? our fifth story "outfront" tonight, new details just in about the alleged gunman in the colorado shooting spree.
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the university of colorado confirms they discovered a suspicious package sent from james holmes in a mailroom in their medical campus on monday. it was addressed to one of holmes' former professors. the package reportedly includes writings and drawings about killing people. "outfront" tonight, ed lavandera in aurora, colorado. ed, what else is the university saying about this package? >> reporter: well, it's been really hard to get people to speak on the record about these packages we've known about since monday. in fact, it caused the evacuation of some of the buildings on that campus for a short time on monday. but it was quickly determined there wasn't any explosives or hazardous materials to deal with. now we're learning what was inside those packages, perhaps much more frightening to people, that perhaps james holmes himself mailed this package to a psychology professor, according to nbc and cbs reports this evening, and saying that the packages included writings of killing people and also crude drawings of a gunman and his
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victims. that package sent, obviously that garnering a great deal of attention today. but there is a gag order in place that has really kind of made a lot of the reaction to this very tight-lipped from official circles here in aurora today. john? >> disturbing report. you're also hearing more about holmes' academic record. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: we have learned from a source that in early june, james holmes performed poorly on one of his final exams. this was all about the same time when you go back and look at the time line of when authorities say that he had been over the last two months amassing the guns and the ammunition and the explosive material that was found in his home. so the question now becomes, this poor performance on this final exam that he had taken toward the end of his first year in this neuroscience ph.d. program at the university of colorado, what kind of effect might this exam and this poor performance have on james
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holmes? we don't have the answer to that. but you can imagine that is something that psychologists and investigators are taking a much closer look at. >> ed lavandera in aurora, colorado. pierce o'farrell was one of the lucky ones. he survived the shooting massacre. he was shot three times in the left arm and the left foot and was just released from the hospital hours ago. o'farrell is "outfront" with me tonight. i started by asking him about the package that holmes sent to his professor and what was reportedly inside. >> it confirms obviously everything that we kind of know, that this man was just disturbed and that he had a lot of darkness in his heart. it's a shame that that package never got opened. i guess that seems to be the report right now. and, you know, in my mind, it just makes it unfortunate that throughout all these years -- i'm sure there's been warning signs. maybe there was someone in his life at some point that could
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have seen something coming. but more than anything, it just -- it doesn't change a whole lot really for me at this point. >> that really does beg the question, do you think this incident could have been prevented? >> i mean, gosh, that's just -- i don't know. that's a tough question to answer. i would think someone that's been living with this much darkness in their life -- i would like to think that maybe some time down his path, maybe someone could have seen this and reached out to him and gotten him the help that he so desperately needed. >> as you just said, james holmes will be formally charged on monday. what do you think is a just punishment for this man? >> i think that life i am prisonment is a just punishment. i don't believe in the death penalty.
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i've said it before, i will pray for james holmes and i pray that he does get life in prison and those 30, 40, 50 years that he's in prison, i pray that the lord can find him in some way and change his heart. >> police say that he had an ar-15 assault rifle, assault gun, two glock pistols when he went into the theater. we know he purchased 6,000 rounds of ammunition. there's been whole conversation about what could have been done. whether this is an appropriate time to talk about whether there's certain reasonable restrictions that could have been put in place that would have made it more difficult to get his hands on those weapons. what do you think of that conversation? is this the right time or too soon? >> no. i think it's a little premature to get into that conversation about gun control. i think, i mean, gosh, it was less than a week ago. and i think right now we need to have our time of mourning. and i think more than anything
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the conversation has to be about how do we help the families of every victim in there, not just myself but more importantly the families of the victims that lost their lives. my heart goes out to them and it's way too early to have that conversation about gun control. >> what do you want to say to holmes? >> i want john to know that i forgive him. but more than anything i pray that he can find some regret and he can find that place in his heart where it is time for him to regret and ask for forgiveness from the victims of all that tragedy. >> that sense of forgiveness is an act of grace for us all. what are your plans? what is next for you? >> just recovery. i need to focus on recovering.
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it's been such a long road this past week, that i'm looking forward to just laying around for a while, recovering. because on sunday we're going to have a special service at my church and we'll be talking about this. and really just talking about forgiveness and ways to reach out and talking about the grace and love of jesus and how he's been working to shine his light throughout this horrible tragedy. >> pierce, our thoughts and prayers will continue to be with us throughout your recovery. >> next, shocking comments from the former ceo of citigroup today. will it change the way wall street does business forever? ya know, your rates and fees aren't exactly competitive. who do you think i am, quicken loans?
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i saw something jaw-dropping today. this is sandy wiel, the former ceo of citigroup on cnn this morning. >> i think what we should probably do is go and split up investment banking from banking.
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>> now, this is the guy who had a portrait of himself with the slogan, shatterer of glass steigle on the wall of his office. what is glass stiegle and how does it matter? here's a recent episode of "the news room." >> after the great depression, congress wanted to put a firewall between the investment banks and the commercial banks. they passed a law. it helped lead to the largest sustained economic growth period in history. a 60-year expansion in the middle class, the largest increase in productivity and median income. you know what happened last next? we repealed glass stiegle. >> now sandy wiel wants him back, even though he was arguably the biggest reason for its demise. a financial blogger sent me an e-mail that said omg, wtf, it was a great idea to open that stable door, but it's a pity the horse has bolted.
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let's close the door now. remind me why we're still taking this clown seriously? and "new york magazine" compared to this rick santorum announcing he's going to be a g.l.a.d. spokesperson. maybe he did see the light. after all, now we know the wisdom of some of those earlier restraints. his comments may be him critical, but they're also historic. in an after the fact sad footnote sort of way. but maybe it will invoke a constructive conversation about restoring it in whole or in part. after all, here it is, all 37 pages of it. and here's dodd frank, 2,319 pages. now, we're not out of the fiscal storm yet. and the clarity and simplicity, something like glass stiegle might just help stabilize our collective ship.